How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

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That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

To a flat Earther, what's wrong with the idea that gravity is simply a force inherent to space which operates only in one dimension? Why do they go further and try to deny gravity rather than just saying it's different than physicists claim?

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

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ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

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ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

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Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

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ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

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Raamaanand Jee, First House:

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

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Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

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There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

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ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Kabir (a weaver)

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Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

How can someone living alone in their own apartment reduce the cost of their electric bills?

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

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ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

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Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Now here in this verse

then who is there to know what happens without?

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

Sain (a barber)

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

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Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

NOW…

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

I am like a fish out of water,

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

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CONCLUSION:

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.